Comments on: Stanford-run charter on ‘worst’ list http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/ Analysis, opinion and ruminations on California education policy Wed, 30 May 2012 07:31:37 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: REH http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-10790 REH Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:24:06 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-10790 So faced with the reality that Bill Evers is not affiliated with the failed Stanford East Palo Alto charter school, Mr. Ravani insists that Mr. Evers is still the problem, even though Mr. Evers is affiliated with a successful charter school. If obtaining a quality education is the goal, it would therefor appear to be Mr. Ravani who is the problem. So faced with the reality that Bill Evers is not affiliated with the failed Stanford East Palo Alto charter school, Mr. Ravani insists that Mr. Evers is still the problem, even though Mr. Evers is affiliated with a successful charter school. If obtaining a quality education is the goal, it would therefor appear to be Mr. Ravani who is the problem.

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]]> By: Gary Ravani http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7547 Gary Ravani Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:28:46 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7547 Zev; My opinion of Mr. Evers is based on several encounters I've had with him over the years, not his charter school. Let's see, if you look at the Aspire website you find a list of donorsincluding about a dozen who gave over a million dollars and a slew of others in the $100K range and on down. That's reading between the lines of charter school success. Often, like KIPP, success is spelled getting rid of kids who don't perform, or it's giving up on learning and becoming a test prep academy, or it's getting significant extra funding above and beyond what regular schools get, or it's a combination of all three. About those facts... Zev;

My opinion of Mr. Evers is based on several encounters I’ve had with him over the years, not his charter school.

Let’s see, if you look at the Aspire website you find a list of donorsincluding about a dozen who gave over a million dollars and a slew of others in the $100K range and on down. That’s reading between the lines of charter school success. Often, like KIPP, success is spelled getting rid of kids who don’t perform, or it’s giving up on learning and becoming a test prep academy, or it’s getting significant extra funding above and beyond what regular schools get, or it’s a combination of all three. About those facts…

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]]> By: TFT http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7447 TFT Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:48:10 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7447 Have you (Beuller?) ever been to East Palo Alto? The poor performance there is just more evidence that poverty keeps students down. The only correlate to school success is SES. East Palo Alto is barrio. Want to help kids do well in school? Give us universal health care, early childhood education and more money for poor schools. Oh, about teacher pay; double it and see who shows up. Have you (Beuller?) ever been to East Palo Alto?

The poor performance there is just more evidence that poverty keeps students down.

The only correlate to school success is SES. East Palo Alto is barrio.

Want to help kids do well in school? Give us universal health care, early childhood education and more money for poor schools.

Oh, about teacher pay; double it and see who shows up.

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]]> By: Ze'ev Wurman http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7442 Ze'ev Wurman Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:41:50 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7442 Gary: It's OK that you don't change your mind on Evers based on the success of the charter he helped to run. I am also sure you won't change your mind about Stipek's or Darling-Hammond's education philosophies based on their charter school failure. I wouldn't want you to be confused by the facts. Gary: It’s OK that you don’t change your mind on Evers based on the success of the charter he helped to run. I am also sure you won’t change your mind about Stipek’s or Darling-Hammond’s education philosophies based on their charter school failure. I wouldn’t want you to be confused by the facts.

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]]> By: Gary Ravani http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7440 Gary Ravani Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:48 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7440 Yes, I am a great "gloater." Sometimes I pay the price. This is one of those times. Doesn't change my opinion of Mr. Evers. And, after all the unfounded attacks on teachers and their unions over the years, I have been pretty much desensitized to "personal attacks." Re the 842 API-my guess is you look under Aspire Schools and you'll find a herd of ponies. Yes, I am a great “gloater.” Sometimes I pay the price. This is one of those times. Doesn’t change my opinion of Mr. Evers. And, after all the unfounded attacks on teachers and their unions over the years, I have been pretty much desensitized to “personal attacks.” Re the 842 API-my guess is you look under Aspire Schools and you’ll find a herd of ponies.

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]]> By: CarolineSF http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7434 CarolineSF Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:49:26 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7434 Nobody should gloat, no matter who is running the school - young people are struggling. ... It is still important to take note -- without gloating. ... 10 years ago, the buzz was about Edison Schools and other for-profits, which were expected to achieve success by bringing private-sector efficiencies to public education. Epic fail, as the teens would say. Now Stanford is learning the same lessons. ... It's time to recognize that charter schools are not the magic feather and start working on strengthening our true public schools rather than turning our backs on them. Nobody should gloat, no matter who is running the school – young people are struggling. … It is still important to take note — without gloating. … 10 years ago, the buzz was about Edison Schools and other for-profits, which were expected to achieve success by bringing private-sector efficiencies to public education. Epic fail, as the teens would say. Now Stanford is learning the same lessons. … It’s time to recognize that charter schools are not the magic feather and start working on strengthening our true public schools rather than turning our backs on them.

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]]> By: Ze'ev Wurman http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7396 Ze'ev Wurman Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:07:31 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7396 Dear Gary, I am happy to inform you that Bill Evers definitely did not have anything to do with the Stanford East Palo Alto charter school. Bill is a past President and board member of the East Palo Alto Charter School (http://www.epacs.org/) without the "Stanford," which I am happy to report has an API of 842. For comparison, Palo Alto High (Paly) has an API of 899. Not too shabby--I hope your own nose is still firmly in place. But there indeed is a pony under that dung. Stanford world-renown education faculty, finding itself on the bottom 5% list... yup. There's the pony. Dear Gary, I am happy to inform you that Bill Evers definitely did not have anything to do with the Stanford East Palo Alto charter school. Bill is a past President and board member of the East Palo Alto Charter School (http://www.epacs.org/) without the “Stanford,” which I am happy to report has an API of 842. For comparison, Palo Alto High (Paly) has an API of 899. Not too shabby–I hope your own nose is still firmly in place. But there indeed is a pony under that dung. Stanford world-renown education faculty, finding itself on the bottom 5% list… yup. There’s the pony.

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]]> By: John Fensterwald http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7393 John Fensterwald Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:47:52 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7393 Gary: No, this is not the same charter school. Bill Evers was associated with East Palo Alto Charter School, which is operated by Aspire Public Schools. I'd recommend withholding personal attacks until you know for sure what you are talking about. Gary: No, this is not the same charter school. Bill Evers was associated with East Palo Alto Charter School, which is operated by Aspire Public Schools. I’d recommend withholding personal attacks until you know for sure what you are talking about.

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]]> By: Gary Ravani http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7257 Gary Ravani Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:08:54 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7257 Isn't this the school Bill Evers had a hand in founding? I bet his nose is out of joint. Then again, such cast iron, self important, self-congratulatory, egos probably never feel "out of joint." Not that the severe disruptions for children that will be caused by the SBE's misguided actions are worth a little grovel time by Evers, but who'd have guessed there would be a chuckle somewhere in all of this. It's like finding the pony under all of that horse dung. Isn’t this the school Bill Evers had a hand in founding? I bet his nose is out of joint. Then again, such cast iron, self important, self-congratulatory, egos probably never feel “out of joint.” Not that the severe disruptions for children that will be caused by the SBE’s misguided actions are worth a little grovel time by Evers, but who’d have guessed there would be a chuckle somewhere in all of this. It’s like finding the pony under all of that horse dung.

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]]> By: CarolineSF http://toped.svefoundation.org/2010/03/12/stanford-charter-on-worst-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7231 CarolineSF Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:35:22 +0000 http://educatedguess.org/blog/?p=1535#comment-7231 Never mind -- I got the facts. It's about that mysterious "n-size" -- the interpretation is that a school needs 100 valid scores to make the list. Never mind — I got the facts. It’s about that mysterious “n-size” — the interpretation is that a school needs 100 valid scores to make the list.

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